KING: So you should check it out, any symptom? But, more importantly, my particular interest is to accelerate discoveries in the treatment of brain tumors, which is why I am so happy that we've established the Johnny Cochran Brain Tumor Center. In legal circles, the verdict represented the pinnacle of success for a respected attorney who had toiled in the Los Angeles legal profession for three decades. @@*@@* FILE @@*@@*Attorney Johnnie Cochran Jr. holds onto O.J. KING: There are a lot of don'ts. Absolutely not. Oops -- it was a novel integrative treatment that cured the disease in children. But -- and that's been one of the red flags that has raised concerns among people that are looking into this, whether there is a correlation because, you know, we see tumors developing in the location -- close to the location that people do use cell phones. Rather than a tumor, he called his ailment a neurological condition requiring a procedure. KHURANA: I strongly disagree with Dr. Thun's perspective. This is due to failing a drug test and violating bail conditions, earlier this month. Do you think there's a link? His magic worked. Cochran died in 2005 a decade before the upheavals that made police brutality and the unfair treatment of African American men by the justice system impossible to ignore. Jackie Chiles is a fictional character portrayed by American actor Phil Morris in the NBC sitcom Seinfeld. And I would under -- I would hope that most people are aware of what that is. I mean, the proper way to use a phone would to be hold it like this. This is the early '80s. KHURANA: Absolutely. The science would suggest that they were actually all safe. Health, food and environmental journalist; radio host, Progressive Radio Network. Everyone is a user. The brain cancer rates have been flat since the introduction of cell phones. His family was by his side and he had been in a hospice, Epps said. I use it on the speaker phone mode. KING: When they see keep it in the holster, that means keep it away from your body. You are right. He asked his secretary to call me and get me on the phone because he couldn't remember the phone number to the house. So that's half of our world population, or almost half. KING: Doctor, is there pain involved in this? KING: You can contact the Johnny Cochran Brain Center at Cedars- Sinai. KING: One type of tumor often mentioned in the discussion of potential risk of cell phones is acoustic neuroma. He still lives with me. And I think pretty much everyone knows if you are x-rays all the time, that's not good. DR. TED SCHWARTZ, NEW YORK PRESBYTERIAN HOSPITAL: I don't really think they are worried about brain tumors. ET) at his home in Los Angeles. So we don't know what long-term effects that will have on memory as our young adults age and other KING: So this is a cause of concern? KING: In the brain? Cochran is survived by his second wife, Dale Mason; his son, Jonathan Cochran, from a prior relationship; his daughters Tiffany Cochran Edwards and Melodie Cochran, from his first marriage; and sisters Pearl Baker and Martha Jean Sherrard. KING: But if it is a cause and can be helped by using ear phones why not? For young kids out there, it's a great career. BLACK: I use a cell phone, but I always use an earpiece. It remains an enigma. Dr. Gupta is our chief CNN medical correspondent, himself is a practicing neurosurgeon. BLACK: Well, Larry, I think if we look at the evidence that we have now, it's difficult to say that cell phones have a direct link to brain cancer, but it's also difficult to say that they're safe. The precautionary principle is a fancy version of the old (unproven) adage "better safe than sorry.". BLACK: other neurological problems. Simpson in his trial for the murders of his wife Nicole Brown Simpson and her friend Ron Goldman. His first wife, Barbara Cochran Berry, wrote her own memoir Life After Johnnie Cochran: Why I Left the Sweetest Talking, Most Successful Black Lawyer in L.A. accusing her ex-husband of cruel behaviors that included physical and emotional abuse. This was '92. So, you know, tumors that are closer to that area may be more likely. But I think of it as he's on a big case and for whatever reason, God needed a lawyer in heaven and said call Johnnie Cochran. And it's only on LARRY KING LIVE. He got David Cook's set completely correct. In 1978, Cochran once again became part of the citys legal force when he joined the Los Angeles County district attorney's office, although he eventually returned to private practice. Is technology advancing faster than medical research? Best Known For: Attorney Johnnie Cochran took on highly publicized police brutality cases and defended such celebrity clients as Michael Jackson and O. J. Simpson. GUPTA: Yes, you know, I think even Dr. Khurana, you know, he looked at existing studies. WebAccording to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the average time between first exposure to a cancer-causing agent and clinical recognition of the disease Your Privacy Choices: Opt Out of Sale/Targeted Ads, Name: Johnnie Cochran, Birth Year: 1937, Birth date: October 2, 1937, Birth State: Louisiana, Birth City: Shreveport, Birth Country: United States. I do not hold it to my ear. Two quick things, Lewis. When we come back, Dr. Gupta will be with us, along with the return of Dale Cochran and Dr. Keith Black. Simpson's lead attorney Tuesday, saying he abruptly halted support payments after she discussed their relationship on television. DR. MICHAEL THUN, AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY: The way I think the best way to look at this is keep an open mind, but also be very aware of what we know and what we don't know. Yet we know that we do. GUPTA: I do. It's not uncommon in science to have conflicting articles. And so just because we don't know the mechanism or the link between -- at a molecular level, between how cell phones may generate the milieu at a molecular level that results in a brain tumor does not mean that there is no mechanism. Are they paying a price or panicking for no good reason? All rights reserved. They got smaller, as you can see. One is that, you know, where there is smoke, there's fire, that's the old adage, right? If we have that, I'll show you that. Dale Cochran's First Interview Since the Death of Her Husband Johnnie; Is There a Link Between Cell Phones and Cancer? Simpson was found not guilty in his murder trial, yet nonetheless faced civil litigation, with millions in damages awarded to the Brown and Goldman families. Is that really safe? Cochran thus made controversial closing statements in which he compared the detectives philosophy to that of Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler. That's the founding editor and publisher of Microwave News, maybe the major publication in this field. The trial left many of those certain of Simpson's guilt furious at Cochran, the leader of a group of expensive celebrity lawyers that included F. Lee Bailey, Robert Shapiro, Barry Scheck and Peter Neufeld. And the other doctors will remain and he will return with Dale Cochran. And if there is a potential cause out there, we need to seriously look into it. The earner has no shutter. Third, we know that the studies that have been done on brain cancer, and I'm going to distinguish brain cancer from acoustic neuroma, have largely been reassuring. And, you know, when we were -- when I was researching for the book that you and I talked about, I looked into all of this. First, what do you think of the theory of the possibility of the cell phone causing brain cancer? This was the mid'80s. That's what people should do. People might be shocked to hear that the evidence does seem to be coming more strongly in support of harmful effects." I guess that doesn't count. But in the Simpson case, Cochran turned the murder trial into an indictment of the Police Department, suggesting officers planted evidence in an effort to frame the former football star because he was a black celebrity. Waiting can damage your case. That's ahead on LARRY KING LIVE. Simpson was found not guilty of murder. Pratt was convicted and imprisoned, while Cochran maintained that the activist was railroaded by authorities, pushing for a retrial. This is animation of the brain, sort of looking at it from the behind, as you can see there. BLACK: Any symptom related to memory, speech, vision, movement. After returning to private practice, Cochran built his firm into a personal injury giant with more than 100 lawyers and offices around the country. All Rights Reserved. CTIA also referred to us the American Cancer Society for more comments on this topic. BLACK: No, no Larry, I'm not. It's heating the brain. That is what they recommend. And it was unrelated to the subsequent tumor that he developed. And Cochrans friend and doctor, Dr. Black mentioned that some of the studies are actually looking at the cell phone usage found. In-universe information. Simpson (search) against murder We know from laboratory animals, for example, that, you know, the most effective way of inducing a tumor is to induce it in a young developing embryo, in a young developing animal. D. COCHRAN: Yes, he was on the phone a lot. This was a phone from 1983. "I didn't know too much about what a lawyer did or how he worked, but I knew that if one man could cause this great stir, then the law must be a wondrous thing," Cochran said in his book. BLACK: Well, there is a base line rate of people developing tumors. Secondly, you referred to the overwhelming data that suggests it's safe. And his doctor says cell phones may have played a part in his disease. D. COCHRAN: We knew it was serious, but we thought it was treatable and that, you know, we should work our way out of it. Web5.03M subscribers 522 Johnnie Cochran represented Geronimo Pratt for free for 27 years until he got his wrongful conviction overturned and freed him from his life KING: Dr. Khurana, you want to respond? I mean I've spent the last year sort of really reading this. BLACK: We did a biopsy, yes. During the early 1980s, he oversaw a settlement for the family of African American football player Ron Settles, who died in a police cell under questionable circumstances. His work and leadership have had a lasting legacy almost two decades after his death, and in today's America, with the death of George Floyd and the nationwide (COMMERCIAL BREAK) (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I wouldn't blame the cell phone companies. Pratt was released, with Cochran also overseeing a wrongful imprisonment suit.) All you have to do to be a regular user is use a cell phone for once a week for six months or more. Reacting to news of Cochran's death Tuesday, Jackson had kind words for the lawyer he considered "a great humanitarian. He came on national television two weeks ago, and I'll quote you: "I think the evidence that is accumulating is pointing towards an effect of mobile phones on tumors. Now beyond that, Larry, when Dr. Thun talks about no rise in the published incidents rates of tumors in Sweden, the strongest studies that have pointed towards links between cell phones and brain tumors have, in fact, come from Sweden. This was the Motorola flip phone. And those cells are more vulnerable to developing cancer from an injury or other types of problems. (END VIDEO CLIP) KING: The night after the Simpson decision, Johnnie guested on this show. A team of researchers led by Northwestern University has achieved a breakthrough by producing the most mature neurons to date from human induced pluripotent stem cells (iPSCs). KING: One of the problems, Dr. Khurana, is almost everybody has a cell phone. Cochran, who died in 2005, also is a central character on the FX series American Crime Story: The People Vs. O.J. After Simpson, Cochran stepped out of the criminal trial arena, concentrating instead on civil matters. I'm not sure I would advocate the Bluetooth because although it's much weaker, you are putting the antenna, the transmitter right into your ear, next to your brain. [9] Prison [ edit] Phil Morris. Find out when we come back. Powered and implemented by FactSet Digital Solutions. Johnnie Cochran turned out to be right, famed lawyer Alan Dershowitz, a member of the Simpson defense team, said in 2005. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Cigarettes have surgeon generals warning on them. It gives me an opportunity to represent people who are injured. He's director of brain tumor surgery at New York Presbyterian Hospital. KHURANA: I do, Larry. Dr. Keith Black and Dr. Sanjay Gupta remain with us. And finally, not wearing one of these non- ionizing Bluetooth things all the time. Where does the American Cancer Society, doctor, stand on this subject? He was in New York at the time and had been admitted to a hospital in New York. BLACK: We were actually, Larry, close friends. "Certainly, Johnnie's career will be noted as one marked by celebrity cases and clientele," the family said in a statement. Larry, we're going to go inside the ear here to the inner part over here. During arguments last Tuesday, justices seemed skeptical of Cochran's attorney's claim that the injunction did not violate the First Amendment. No one mentioned any study demonstrating the efficacy of either ear pieces or holsters, nor apparently considered whether radiating the region of the hips and sexual organs is preferable to radiating the brain. ", "Johnnie Cochran was a true gentleman who embodied class, brilliance, honesty and integrity," Jackson said in a statement. Simpson. Unfortunately, you know, my suspicion is that it's going to be five years or 10 years before we have a definitive answer. Peter Leeds appears as Mr. Garland. What's known about the impact of RF on human tissue?" I initially thought it might be an infection. They're emitting electromagnetic radiation too. KING: Dr. Black will be returning. And we immediately went to see a doctor in the next day or two. What indication did he give you that something was wrong? This is a great, exhilarating victory for Sean Combs. His first marriage, to his college sweetheart, Barbara Berry, produced two daughters, Melodie and Tiffany. 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