Ah, I see. Well, it depends a little on how they make, but far more on your size and height. The second pair produced by a well respected British manufacturer were rubbish. Your email address will not be published. See here: https://www.drakes.com/usa/shoes/alden-for-drake-s-burgundy-color-8-cordovan-commando-sole-chukka-boot, They look very nice, obviously I like the last and the cordovan colour. You can easily buy all necessary equipment to care for Codovan leather from http://www.afinepairofshoes.co.uk. But I doubt Id want these any wider. This was not easy, and required a trip to the Madison Avenue store in New York. Learn how your comment data is processed. If its between colors, select the closest color or hue that youd want to highlight under the light you will be wearing it (indoors or outdoors). Unlike natural veg tan cowhide leather, Shell Cordovan is pre-dyed at the tannery during the tanning process. Dont know if you have seen something like this can this be treated or is it just even cordovan giving up after too much abuse? Heinrich Dinkelacker's Cordovan Highlights. Simon, curious to know if you have any thoughts on the last post re: quality of cordovan sourced by makers. But be super picky with regards to sizing, cuts, and tears. 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I have the same question as the guy above:-) Just so that I understand you correctly Simon: the Alden loafers you are wearing are a size 9 US/D width? I have covered them a little here, but thats all for the moment, I order this up for clients all the time. Simon Im not sure if black was the way to go but there was something that kept pulling me to the cordovan 8. Thank you. But Ive not found it usually takes long to wear in - no longer, really, than the soles you get on a lot of English shoes. Hi Simon ! Only when there is a deeper scratch I apply some Saphir Renovateur on the spot (which with buffing gets applied over the whole shoe then). They have a full leather lining. Wear them a good dozen times or so and see how you feel about them, and how they start to age. Please. You make a very good case of cordovan loafers with dark denim . What shoes should I wear with brown trousers? I know its fine for the vast majority of makers and people, but that doesnt necessarily mean it will work for him and you. The search continues for a boot that can go with nice denim and smarter trousers. I havent found that much to be honest. Feel free to send me a DM if none of your local retailers will. Ive only seen the exact style on sale in the US, yes, but that could change it depends what other Alden stockists decide to order. No doubt youve covered this somewhere else. So not really an Oxford equivalent in that sense. Normally I wear 8.5 E in all EG lasts. Its manageable depending on what socks I have on but thin or sockless is out of the question. I think that shows how Alden from a make point of view is really mid-range or lower the expectations get rather inflated outside the US by the prices, and particularly the extra price of cordovan. Theres no rule here just bear in mind that its a more casual material. Best Custom Shell Cordovan: Rancourt & Co. Rancourt & Co. Made-to-Order Cordovan Highlights. I never understood what the bone should do, either. Even though I noticed that the Aldens are slightly wider/more roomy when compared with my EG`s especially in the heal area. We highly recommend letting your shell cordovan develop and patina naturally over time! There are lots more things we could say about cordovan: other tanneries, whether the extra expense is worth it, the particular costs of buying Alden in Europe at the moment. The understated look and outstanding durability of the shoes have made them a favorite of traditional menswear retailers in the U.S. for years. George Wang (https://dieworkwear.com/2018/09/06/the-sophisticated-black-tassel/) that black loafers work better with jeans than brown ones? Kirby has a good video on that here, Hello Simon: The vamp is very low, so I went down half a size in length and up a size in width to find the right fit with no slippage. Because cordovan is shiny - it has a natural shine, and one that comes quickly back with buffing - it should be rather smart. Since I had them resoled with R. double soles they are still going strong. They may be below the price of the shoes you often wear (e.g. Its a little hard to say on the value I think theyre both decent value for what you pay in the US, though Allen Edmonds isnt what it was. A small amount of cream every few weeks can help soften the leather, and feed it, but dont use too much or youll get white marks in the creases. It doesnt make much difference whether you brush shoes the same day or the next day. The difference for calf is much smaller when its black, Hi Simon You can see that in these images with my Blackhorse Lane denim. Should be an easy ship across the pond. Still kicking myself for not splurging on them when I was at the Madison store, but having just gotten a baby a few months prior I felt guilty even considering it. Yes, Van is wider so theres a lot more room in there, though I didnt find going a half size down worked for me that made the loafer too short on the toes. Hey Simon, I was getting desperate. Would like to hear which last you find more comfortable. I have had a pair of Alden loafers in colour 8 (which you rarely ever see in the wild where I live but feel hopelessly unoriginal after reading this article and the comments) for years and all I needed to do as you say is the occasional brush or rub down with a piece of cloth and keep them on shoe trees. Quite different to what they looked like when new, but even more beutiful. If they can be saved, you should do so if you like them. All things being equal/subjective; would I look nicer in Shell Cordovan; or a regular leather dress boot? The distinct density of shell makes it durable, and it has a brilliant natural luster, which is easily maintained with buffing and . Others undoubtedly picked up Allen Edmonds Park Avenues. I dont think this was covered in this thread, and apologies if it was! Theyre really nice. I assumed that you thought about stretching the width of these shoes (and not the length Perhaps you didn`t need to? The specific skills necessary to tan shell cordovan also mean less tanneries are capable of producing the material. This makes it noticeably more difficult to break in than calfskin and unless youre considering a shell cordovan belt, watch strap or leather wallet, youre gonna feel it. I have a bit of a conundrum. I got it, the best way to learn whether it for you or not is to actually test it by yourself Its also a very versatile shoe for dressing up or dressing down. I havent yet added any cordovan footwear to my collection yet, so I found this article intriguing. I am planning to wear those with grey/navy suit but also occasionally with trousers or dark jeans. Whats the verdict on the jumper boots? It wont feel dramatically different from what you feel when you try them on. . Thats worth a read for detail on what cordovan actually is - more a membrane than a skin - and the work that goes into tanning it. Ensure its the correct sizing. I wonder if you could give a perhaps cooler perspective. The cordovan doesnt break down due to it, but other parts of the shoe can. I put a tiny bit of Saphir Renovateur on scratches and buff them out. Shell cordovan is prized for its beauty and durability, but with a painful break-in period and steep price tag, is the so-called king of leather worth the fuss? However, theres a few downsides of cordovan that some might not know about, which can be good to be aware of if you are an aspiring cordovan shoe buyer. Theyd also be handy in warmer weather, with the PS overshirt in dark brown, white tee and navy BHL chinos for example (you can clearly see me trying to justify them). The Aberdeen last wasnt available at the time. So, thats not recommended. May I ask what pair of Blackhorse Denim you are wearing in the photos? Of course, there is also the much broader point that killing animals to use their meat or skin doesnt mean you dont respect them. Hello Simon. Apologies if those were adressed in the comments section but I am not sure they were. Ive always somehow found that look somehow silly on me. That occurs on my Alden cordovan monks, even though I dont use anything on them. How much conditioner should I use? My experience is different. May I ask why did you prefer this make up to the more common Aberdeen last and blind eyelets? What I notice (and Ive seen online photos that confirm my experience) is that the two shoes are not aging or developing a patina the same way. It too is casual, and in a smart office I wouldnt wear it with a smart suit. Cheers! Though, with all the fats in the leather I have never found it necessary to administer shoe cream or polish. Cut the Fat: Wear shell enough and you'll start to notice white streaks forming around the creases. Im wearing with Black or Blue Blackhorse Lane E8. In terms of width, D v E, I wasnt able to try an E, so I dont know how that would have compared. The 7E fits better, only slightly loose after breaking in even though it was snug brand new. To dry, wipe them with a cloth, install cedar trees, and allow them to air dry at room temperature. Then some others depending on shades. Maybe stick to wearing the Alden with slightly thick socks and hope the toebox moulds to my feet? Any particular reason why you sized up in these Aldens? Thanks John, great to have the recommendation. Not a good reason for poor quality but perhaps enabling factors. Not only can it become uncomfortable, Ive read about people who have had insoles cracking rather quickly due to the bad breathability of the cordovan shoes and their perspiration breaking down the insole leather. There are post forwarding companies, if the extra cost and hustle are worth it (cheaper than travelling, and currently available). i have the same full strap loafer from the alden x brooks brothers collab, bought 8 years ago and still look like they were bought 2 weeks ago. Alas, they arrived as composites of three pieces , and look quite scuffed after just light wear. I also have Kirby Allisons cordovan care kit (complete with deer bone) which comes in handy to smooth the ripples a bit. Simon, Thats what I thought too. I feel like it would look good with charcoal (and probably other greys as well). Obviously, they have both been resoled. E.g., heavy black winter boots with denim can look great. Saphir . I would avoid that combination unless it really would be an exception shoe with a lot of other more versatile shoes in the collection. How would you compare Alden & Edward Greens Greenwich in Cordovan burgundy? Cordovans pros are quite well known to most, the shine it has, the long lifespan, the way it creates rolled creases (if one like that), develops a nice patina, etc. Beautiful as well, but not as smart. Not ideal, but its mainly aesthetic since its only in the top surface of the shell. Heel pads I have found worthless so I am keen to try rogue pad to solve a heel sleep problem. Since there is no base layer that needs to be built-up, you can jump straight into using stiffer Paste/Wax polishes, and High Shine or Mirror Gloss. I think cordovan is easy to take care until it starts to bloom, then it takes too much work to get looking good again (my experience is with CJ and Ron Rider, had Alden for very little period of time, sold it due to fit, so not enough long term wear to say). For a more detailed breakdown of these steps, with illustrations, Jesper has a good guide here. As always, versatility is paramount. Thanks. In the US, at least, and speaking solely about each companys cordovan offer, their pricing is very similar. Look for rips/tears in the shell itself. It does vary, and it will darken as you wear them too. Just as fancy patinas have lost all charm, so cordovan has gained it. The purpose of the coating and shellac is the same for all though, and it varies if people find it problematic with this treatment or not. Have you noticed your shell cordovan loafers becoming any more comfortable after wearing them for some time ? But after five or six hours of being out and about in town, they start to hurt. Welcome to Worth the Price, a recurring series exploring some of menswears most covetable and expensive products. I like the style generally (sort of a dressed-up Doc Martin for the urban professional), and I assume you wear them with denim, which is a nice look (although I think the images above are actually from an article you did on similar Kaan shoes, correct?). I have a pair of Cordovan shoes from Crockett and Jones, and theyre well constructed, but a more snug fit than Aldens. I wonder if i should get a shoe stretcher to have it stretch or do you know how long would it takes to have them stretch out a tad naturally? They just dont go with the style of trousers I wear. The purple/black colour is dark enough to go with lots of materials and styles of trousers, from denim to flannels. For that approach, a neutral cream offers the same protection and conditioning benefits of a colored cream, but without any additional pigmentation. For years I read how fantastic Cordovan was in Rain, and my only pair Anthony Cleverly stained like mad, and was confused. Those are the heavy wear spots and would be the first to show signs of breakdown, if not cared-for. I havent tried it David, no. But I wouldnt wear them with smarter trousers like cavalry twills, or with a jacket. Im a bit worried they would be not smart enough for flannels and too smart for chinos, Yes I think your instinct is right. Then begin with just a little bit of black polish, perhaps around the toe or heel. Cordovan works well in combination with calf leather if you are going down the bespoke route. Do they actually do anything? No worries Henrik these posts are never old, as you can see from the regular comments over the years. Brush of dust and buff them, and youre done in 99% of cases. They do a lot of boots, Red Wings etc. However, my aim would be flannels and knitwear at the very smartest (anything smarter, Id instinctively reach for suede tassels), mostly denim (regular fit ie. Alden states that they use oak leather soles (likely meaning oak bark-tanned). Clutch Cafe could probably order them for you. Are they much higher? Id wear a wider trouser probably, and lean into that style. Wouldnt you say that a black cordovan loafer is more casual than a black calf one, and perhaps comparable to a black suede one? Many shell cordovan consumers love the natural patina that develops from the migration of oils and UV fading that occurs over time. Some like that sturdiness, while some dislike it and have a hard time breaking in corodovan shoes and getting them comfortable due to this, a bit depending on how sensitive your feet are. Allow to sit at least 10 minutes (my great grandfather insisted on overnight). Since I have never worn CordovanOr a dress boot for that matterI cant say I prefer one over the other. @deshellvedge is that guy from Instagram who has a much better shell cordovan shoe collection than me. How much did they stretch out if you have? Thanks. The guy knows where to find everything all over the world. Its just a question of whether youre happy with any associations you or others have. Any thought / insight would be much appreciated (and justified by the title of this article;). Learn more through here. The reason I did that was that Id always found the classic Van-last loafers to be too chunky for me. Great article. Thanks. To clean it up, lightly dampen a rag with a small 50/50 mixture of distilled white vinegar and water. It is all essentially corium. Much appreciated. Youre just more likely to remember to do it after youve worn them. Are these NW1? I dont have any from Crocketts, but did have a pair from Edward Green (mentioned above). ), sole materials and thicknesses, welts, and so on. And its a shade I prefer - you can see the difference in my Vass pair above. In the winter, I will wipe my shoes with a damp cloth at the end of the day to remove any salt, a Chicago-type climate concern. A couple of questions if you wouldnt mind: 1. Like suede. Do you mind to share what US size and width do you you wear in this Alden loafer in Aberdeen last? Off the thread slightly, but Im now big into Lizard and other exotics. And if that doesnt work, try a little cream. Is this a valid concern, is there anything I can say to reassure them? Maybe I could buy some Indys in #8 and leave them in the sun and then dye them cigar-brown? And I prefer the Alden shade of the colour 8 cordovan too. Its certainly thicker than calf. No need to apply any. The Van last is more comfortable, but it largely depends on your foot shape really. Spanish Carmina is one of the brands who treat the cordovan to make it withstand rain better. Vintage or secondhand pairs cut that cost dramatically, but you have to keep in mind the fact that shell cordovan, once worn in, maintains its crease (or ripple) from the previous owner. Its a nice shoe, but perhaps a little clompy for my style I prefer a split-toe myself. Recently Ive been struggling to figure out how to buy a perfect denim shirt. I hoped that the strong June sun that was coming would speed things up. See and interact with all Instagram stories @PermanentStyleLondon. Interested to hear any thoughts (from you or anyone), I wouldnt wear a cordovan belt probably, but I have a wonderful cordovan notebook, which has aged very well (here) and I like the T-style wallet in cordovan too. Theyd become a bit darker. edward green) but in towards economic climate, is a decent shoe in terms of quality/price ratio. While other leathers may over-stretch with time, shell cordovan keeps its shape much better, resulting in a better long-term fit. after Elliots brother found him in the river! I am not sure if there is much variance in the quality of cordovan offered by Horween (as there is, for instance, with European tanneries). To reach and expose the shell, the leather is shaved on the flesh side (underside). I think its because the cordovan is a single, flat colour and so doesnt get as much of the variation of other colours like no 8 shown here. The second is that I was directly told that because the leather is thicker, they make your feet sweat more, especially if you already have that tendency. Any thoughts? Personally, no, I think brown works better though much more brown suede than leather. It makes Donald Trump look like a liberal free trader! Im a little particular about a belt being similar i colour to the shoe colour. We prefer to apply this with a finger as it gives more control of where the polish goes. P.A. It now slightly resembles suede rather than a leather finish. And how many of the vegan alternatives are plastics that wont biodegrade. Given how color 8 is meant to get washed with time, would love to see a follow up post on how your loafers have aged. Understood. I think you could get either snuff suede or cordovan in that case. Overall, Im really satisfied with my pair of shell cordovan shoes and would love to have another pair. Over time, even with proper care, repeated creasing can cause leather to crack and rip. Thank you. Too little product and you just need to catch up with the next conditioning session. Lovely. Then, lightly dab & swirl stiff waxes, buffing a single droplet of water across the surface, will bring out the highest reflective shine. Crockett & Jones has several boot models and perhaps even a shoe or two available in cordovan. For example, my Edward Green boots here could look good with both but theyd be a fairly smart, sleek look with denim. That last is only more comfortable on most people because it is larger and so more forgiving. I was hoping to get the benefit of your advise. Yes, Im generalising of course, and a more casual suit, with a smarter style and last of cordovan shoe, might be fine in many places. do you think the full strap in calf is easier to wear in and adapts faster? Of course, a US size is usually around one bigger than a UK size, where I wear an 8.5, sometimes an 8. As there is no chance to try on any of these shoes in calf, I thought I ask here Thanks in advance! Allan Donnely: Hehe havent happened to me, but sounds like it makes sense . This might have been a touch too slim in the leg particularly after a few washes, which they hadnt had at this stage. Ive purchased half a dozen pairs over the last year. I found this pair of Aldens in our archives shortly after I started back at the tannery full time - sometime in early 2009. Couldnt find anywhere in Uk. Hi Simon, like Weston. Fair enough, thanks! Any plans on covering EB loafers (particularly their cordovan)? Just apply a bit of pressure to press the fibers back into place. To make things more interesting I also recently got a size 7UK C&J suede Cavendish that actually fits comfortably. Hi Simon, I wouldnt say that Alden is superior in terms of quality. I think those will look great. Plenty of people do wear topsiders, or boat shoes, over here too. I have very narrow heels and broader width at the front. And Ive never really had to start wearing them just a few hours a day - again, unlike some calf shoes. Yes I think those Vass would have been good had they been the correct size. Through normal use scratches and scuffs will lighten and diminish without any manual intervention. Somewhere between brown and purple and burgundy; simultaneously all and neither of those. Follow him here. The colour is particularly appealing too. Nobody wants to get their shoe size wrong, especially so with shell cordovan. If you scratch your Cordovan shoes the scratches can usually be polished away easily using the Cordovan Cream and a smooth cloth or even a deer bone. Another model you might want to try is the monk strap. You briefly mention white marks that can appear in creases from using cream, but my understanding is that cordovan naturally produces oils that can cause a white film. I wore them until the welt could not stand up to another repair. CHURCH do a first class resole service. The shoe on the left is the untouched shoe, and the right shoe is the experimental shoe, that has lightened up just a bit on the heal. Hi, What should I be looking for, on the good or bad side? I just buff them to a mirror shine with a section of tights (pantyhose) over the horse brush. Another wonderful post and excellent examples of how to style cordovan shoes. PS Presents 23: Arterton, LEJ, Marrkt, Fox and Rubato, Click on an image to enlarge. As you say, a very subtle charm. Genuine Shell Cordovan is vegetable tanned, using a very traditional and labour intensive process that can be seen on the Horween website. 379X Military Last. Ashland Leather Co. 6.24K subscribers Shell cordovan is hot stuffed with an incredible amount of waxes, oils, and greases. But from what you write here about comfort and opting for the larger size (if in doubt) I figure that I ought to go for the size 8,5/ E rather than trying my luck on a pair in size 8,5 D ? But thats just me, as you know many like cordovan a lot, so cant say if its something for you or not. It would be hard to go wrong with a work boot with jeans Amit. Now, however, they are best described as brown-ish with a slight burgundy tint. Michael, I wouldnt personally Michael. Perhaps better if the toe cap was unbrogued or just a plain toe, or if the edges were dressed a little darker? I bought the Alden Plain Toe Blucher in Colour 8 at the San Francisco Alden in 2016, and returned to the same shop for the Black version in 2017. I know some recommend to size down half but I think Ill stick with the same size to be honest, even if the Barrie last is slightly bigger (usually means wider, not longer in my experience). And it can look great! But, Im not sure that Id pay $800+ for a new pair. Do you have any recommendations for successfully pairing brown pants with black shoes? Additionally, I have a pair of Johnston and Murphy Crown Aristocrafts that are at least 30 years old and have been refurbished several times. It is this texture in the creases that I think make it bridge formal and casual clothing. Someone made this comment above Alex. It takes a lot to beat up shell cordovan. Cordovan always seemed a little dull by comparison. Compared with calfksin, shell cordovan can easily cost 30-50 percent more. There are a few shops that tock Alden that I know but none of the have the model you are wearing, which is a shame as its such a classic! Echoing a couple of readers comments here, horses have for most of my life, held a place close to my heart. Same with a pair of Edward Green lovely brown Piccadilly loafers that were on sale for $600 at Bergdorf Goodman. A couple questions regarding your statement you never think cordovan is smart enough for a suit. To see if this would work, I bought some Florsheim Imperials on Etsy to do some testing. I tried them on today in size 8 but had a little heel slippage. thanks and any advice would be highly appreciated! They do not offer the highest level of finish and that which they do produce is inconsistent. They have the typical waves instead of creases mostly, but also some creases in which the texture of the leather has visibly changed, looking dull and a little pulverized on the surface. It was a long, sunny period and I didnt look at them again for a few weeks until we had some unexpected rain. I just received my pair and Im not too sure how I feel about them. This was a perfect primer for the unique characteristics of Cordovan. Posted by LS. Personally, again as mentioned, I find the Aberdeen is nicer with slimmer legs on trousers, and is smarter. Agree on the color and the versatility in this post. So, you wont have to worry about it dying the shell a different shade. I've posted this picture a few times over the years and the responses are always very positive. 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